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  • Arete said...

    A 14 to 16 game model would be great for Big 12.

    14 teams:

    Florida State Miami Clemson Louisville

    The additions of Florida State and Miami allow the Big 12 to become the premier conference in Florida. The ACC is not a football conference and with the Big 12's football mission, you would see the 2 programs become better. Each school would become more visible nationally.

    Clemson would be a natural fit. Great fanbase, facilites, and good tradition.

    Louisville would make a good addition for basketball and pretty good addition in basketball. It would give Kansas a close to blue blood in basketball.

    Other teams of interest:

    Georgia Tech- Is the Atlanta market worth going after?

    Maryland- Can you snage Maryland from ACC or potential Big 10 invite ( along with Duke, UVA, and UNC) if Big 10 goes to 16.

    Notre Dame- Could ND join a conference and see value in Big 12's ability to allow Irish to have their own network? Would be a coup.

    Rutgers- The NY market. Would it be worth adding an up and coming football program that can't bust out.

    Pitt- Would ND push to add Pitt to Big 12 if it agrees to join?

    UCONN- is the basketball school worth the investment?

    VT- The SEC has their eyes on VT most likely if UVA bolts to Big 10.

    NC State- The SEC would direct it's attention at NC State/RDU to offset UNC and Duke going to Big 10 if that happened.

    BYU- Would add huge fanbase in West.

    If we expand to 16 teams, is it necessary to have a balanced 8 and 8 team divisions or could an unbalanced 9 and 7 division split work, because of locations? We currently have 9 teams in the middle of the country and WV in the east. How do you split the divisions with the teams we as fans want to add?

    CelinaHorn

  • CelinaHorn said...

    If we expand to 16 teams, is it necessary to have a balanced 8 and 8 team divisions or could an unbalanced 9 and 7 division split work, because of locations? We currently have 9 teams in the middle of the country and WV in the east. How do you split the divisions with the teams we as fans want to add?

    Move Iowa State to the east. Simple.

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  • MarineMountie said...

    Move Iowa State to the east. Simple.

    It is the closest to the east, would make some sense. Does anyone think BYU would join, that would definitely be a western team

    Navagator

  • Navagator said...

    It is the closest to the east, would make some sense. Does anyone think BYU would join, that would definitely be a western team

    BYU keeps it interesting. Everyone assumes it should be Iowa State. But, they recruit Texas and moving then to the east with less exposure to games in Texas would hurt their recruiting. Also, they have always basically played Kansas, Kansas State, and most likely Oklahoma or Oklahoma State every other year since the Big 12 and every year before that. Moving them to the east would significantly reduce the number of times they play these teams. Iowa State may not want to move and that is why I asked the question.

    I think BYU would now join. According to some of the boards, they no longer seem to be a sexy pick. But, I think they would bring a lot of TV’s to the table.

    CelinaHorn

  • Arete said...

    A 14 to 16 game model would be great for Big 12.

    14 teams:

    Florida State Miami Clemson Louisville

    The additions of Florida State and Miami allow the Big 12 to become the premier conference in Florida. The ACC is not a football conference and with the Big 12's football mission, you would see the 2 programs become better. Each school would become more visible nationally.

    Clemson would be a natural fit. Great fanbase, facilites, and good tradition.

    Louisville would make a good addition for basketball and pretty good addition in basketball. It would give Kansas a close to blue blood in basketball.

    Other teams of interest:

    Georgia Tech- Is the Atlanta market worth going after?

    Maryland- Can you snage Maryland from ACC or potential Big 10 invite ( along with Duke, UVA, and UNC) if Big 10 goes to 16.

    Notre Dame- Could ND join a conference and see value in Big 12's ability to allow Irish to have their own network? Would be a coup.

    Rutgers- The NY market. Would it be worth adding an up and coming football program that can't bust out.

    Pitt- Would ND push to add Pitt to Big 12 if it agrees to join?

    UCONN- is the basketball school worth the investment?

    VT- The SEC has their eyes on VT most likely if UVA bolts to Big 10.

    NC State- The SEC would direct it's attention at NC State/RDU to offset UNC and Duke going to Big 10 if that happened.

    BYU- Would add huge fanbase in West.

    GT,Maryland, and ND would be very good for their tv value (Atlanta,Baltimore,national brand), Pitt brings some of that market but not a great fanbase. I wouldn't touch UConn or any other program from that part of the US when it comes to college football, just not enough interest and UConns basketball may be in for a downfall, maybe Rutgers? But thats about it. VT is a no brainer if we could get them but I think your right about the SEC wanting them(and I could see the SEC going after NCState too), if the moves begin to raid the ACC I have to think the SEC takes their shot and prob gets them even if UVA doesnt like it, at that point they(VT) could claim the same thing WVU did about the BigEast falling apart.

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  • If you can add BYU, you can put them in the east. They are all about the mission of spreading the LDS church and getting them exposure on the east coast would be a big deal for them

    Eerial Assault

  • You want to leave teams alone in the west so that the pac12 can expand to 16 without needing big 12 teams. Also putting them in the east when they are very far west is bush big east stuff. What people don't realize is morgantown is closer to Austin than BYU is. It is well outside of the current big 12 foot print

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  • Coastal Eer said...

    You want to leave teams alone in the west so that the pac12 can expand to 16 without needing big 12 teams. Also putting them in the east when they are very far west is bush big east stuff. What people don't realize is morgantown is closer to Austin than BYU is. It is well outside of the current big 12 foot print

    Even without the new grant of rights agreement, I think the Big 12 is solid against the PAC 12. At one point I was worried about the SEC, because no here is going to play A&M which should hurt their recruiting and they need a partner. Right now A&M has to sell recruits on playing in the SEC and 6 home games.

    I personally do not want expansion to be about football only and that is why I asked about uneven divisions. The other sports play more games and therefore travel more which needs to be a consideration in realignment. I think what the Big East did was an act of desperation and will not work in the long run.

    CelinaHorn

  • gwinn77 said...

    I agreed with that perception, because it was a reality. Bebee was "perceived" to be a puppet for Dodds. Its one of the reasons he is out now & Neinas was brought in to stabilize the situation. Plus Texas had the lopsided revenue sharing on the Tier 1 & 2 rights with the rest of the conference. That just wasn't going to fly if the Big12 wanted to remain together.

    Once Texas flirted with going fully Independent, they realized that it wouldn't work with the direction that NCAA football will eventually be going to with the four "super-conferences". Everyone knows that ND is going to have to join a conference once that happens.

    Now that the Grant of Rights deal has been signed, with all teams agreeing to 6 years, possibly even being 13 years with the new Fox & ESPN deals, the Big12 is as stable as any conference out there. This is where the real fun begins and we can start to go "big game hunting" for other teams and bring the TV $$ package on par or exceed what the SEC & B1G have.

    If the realigment goes down the way it appears. A lot of thanks needs to go Beebe, because he got us a new deal after Colorado and Nebraska left, and he also got everyone to share. The new deal was for 10 teams and when misery left we needed to add another team and here you are.

    Based on the numbers you are hearing, how much more will WVU make compaired to the Big East?

    CelinaHorn

  • CelinaHorn said...

    If the realigment goes down the way it appears. A lot of thanks needs to go Beebe, because he got us a new deal after Colorado and Nebraska left, and he also got everyone to share. The new deal was for 10 teams and when misery left we needed to add another team and here you are.

    Based on the numbers you are hearing, how much more will WVU make compaired to the Big East?

    WVU was receiving approximately 6 to 8 Million in the Big East, so you're looking at approximately 12 to 14 Million dollar increase when full rights are received.

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  • EERFAN64MIKE said...

    WVU was receiving approximately 6 to 8 Million in the Big East, so you're looking at approximately 12 to 14 Million dollar increase when full rights are received.

    Nice. Are you not glad the ACC voted against adding you.

    CelinaHorn

  • CelinaHorn said...

    Nice. Are you not glad the ACC voted against adding you.

    Absolutely thrilled! LOL

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  • CelinaHorn said...

    Nice. Are you not glad the ACC voted against adding you.

    Not to sound obnoxious, but I'm not so sure the Big12 survives unless they found another team willing to come in 2012. The TV deal would have been voided as ESPN/Fox agreed to keep the pay the same for 10 as they had for 12. Was there another team that could have joined in 2012? I haven't heard of any other team that would have came to the Big 12 rescue besides us. We were adamant from day 1 that we wouldnt wait out the 27 month time from from the Big East. That was one of the major attractions the Big 12 saw in us, our willingness to join in 2012. This whole landscape could be very different if we were in the ACC or even the Big East.

    However I love where we are at! That was in no way trying to slight the Big 12. rockon

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  • gwinn77 said...

    Not to sound obnoxious, but I'm not so sure the Big12 survives unless they found another team willing to come in 2012. The TV deal would have been voided as ESPN/Fox agreed to keep the pay the same for 10 as they had for 12. Was there another team that could have joined in 2012? I haven't heard of any other team that would have came to the Big 12 rescue besides us. We were adamant from day 1 that we wouldnt wait out the 27 month time from from the Big East. That was one of the major attractions the Big 12 saw in us, our willingness to join in 2012. This whole landscape could be very different if we were in the ACC or even the Big East.

    However I love where we are at! That was in no way trying to slight the Big 12. rockon

    Louisville, byu, Boise just to name a few would have done anything for our spot

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  • Coastal Eer said...

    Louisville, byu, Boise just to name a few would have done anything for our spot

    Louisville - was in the same boat with us in the 27 month deal, they could have possibly been in though, but there is a reason they were left out (so far), they dont move the needle enough TV wise.

    BYU - Unless they cave on the Sunday no play rule, which they never will, they will remain Indy

    Boise - I've never heard 1 word about Boise with anyone besides the B E which was a desperate move

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  • gwinn77 said...

    Not to sound obnoxious, but I'm not so sure the Big12 survives unless they found another team willing to come in 2012. The TV deal would have been voided as ESPN/Fox agreed to keep the pay the same for 10 as they had for 12. Was there another team that could have joined in 2012? I haven't heard of any other team that would have came to the Big 12 rescue besides us. We were adamant from day 1 that we wouldnt wait out the 27 month time from from the Big East. That was one of the major attractions the Big 12 saw in us, our willingness to join in 2012. This whole landscape could be very different if we were in the ACC or even the Big East.

    However I love where we are at! That was in no way trying to slight the Big 12.

    No slight taken. Those are the reasons we are so pissed at a&m and misery. They both agreed to stay and a&m even took part of the Nebraska and Colorado exit fee and still left. Either could have stayed another year and still had there place at the dance but they basically said we don't care about the remaining 9 teams. It's all about us.

    CelinaHorn

  • gwinn77 said...

    Louisville - was in the same boat with us in the 27 month deal, they could have possibly been in though, but there is a reason they were left out (so far), they dont move the needle enough TV wise.

    BYU - Unless they cave on the Sunday no play rule, which they never will, they will remain Indy

    Boise - I've never heard 1 word about Boise with anyone besides the B E which was a desperate move

    I'm sure theres is more to it, but I always believed you were picked because of your location. And the Big 12 wanted an anchor location for the next round of realignment. With WVU realignment could go in almost any direction.

    CelinaHorn

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