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Unfamiliar Territory for Holgs, WVU

Over the years, Dana Holgorsen has had to break in new quarterbacks. He's had to adjust to new teams, new coaches and even new conferences. At no point has his offense faltered... until this year.

Holgorsen says the goal is to get better each of the remaining weeks of the season.

West Virginia is averaging 22.9 points per game, which would be the lowest for a season since 2001, the first year Rich Rodriguez manned the sideline for the Mountaineers. That's been tough for Holgorsen to handle.

"It’s been challenging," he admitted during today's media conference call. "I’ve never dealt with it before. I’ve never dealt with this many guys that are new. You got new people at every single spot."

While true that WVU is breaking in nine new starters on offense - and a multitude of new backups - Holgorsen says it's also challenging because of staff changes on that side of the ball.

"You got a coaching staff that continues to learn how to coach together and gameplan together and call plays and react together," he said. "I’ve been very pleased with how our coaching staff has bonded and been united and worked together. Then again, it’s still a lot of unknowns – three guys on the offense that haven’t coached this offense before."

Don't look for any quick fixes that will turn this offense into "The Greatest Show on Turf," but Holgorsen's goal is to get the offense on the right track and improve as the year comes to a close - and into the future.

"I just want to continue to show improvement," he said. "Is it winning offensive football? No, it is not winning offensive football. It hasn’t been all year. I take full responsibility for that. We need to continue to coach them hard, which they are. Our players need to continue to allow themselves to be coached, which they are. We need to continue to develop young guys and recruit guys that can come in and play winning football out there on the field."

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When asked what the program needs as a whole to be atop the Big12 consistently - like West Virginia was accustomed to in the Big East - Holgorsen was very blunt.

"We need a lot of things," he said. "The transition from the Big East to the Big 12, we knew was going to be challenging. The Big12 obviously has some of the best football that’s going to be played across the country. (They have) top teams with facilities, with recruiting and players - all of that stuff needs to improve on our end."

All of that is going to take some time, and that's something Holgorsen says people needs to realize.

"I think it’s going to take everyone a couple years to truly understand the magnitude of the Big 12, our coaches and players included."

  • If you don't have accurate and knowledgeable Qb's, any system will fail.

    I was taught to honor and respect my elders. They are getting much harder to find these days.

  • As badly as some of you think we are on offense, take a look at this:

    2010 passing yards per game: 213

    2010 had Geno, Tavon, and Stedman all in their second years with the program. Three of the best offensive players in our history.

    This year?

    248 yards per game, with the worst QB situation we've gone through in 20 years.

    That's how unbelievably pathetic Mullen's offense was.

    Believe it or not, WVU is still 5th in passing in the Big 12. Only about 2 yards per game away from being tied with Texas @ #4.

    This post has been edited 2 times, most recently by sknot1454 6 months ago

  • sknot1454 said... (original post)

    As badly as some of you think we are on offense, take a look at this:

    2010 passing yards per game: 213

    2010 had Geno, Tavon, and Stedman all in their second years with the program. Three of the best offensive players in our history.

    This year?

    248 yards per game, with the worst QB situation we've gone through in 20 years.

    That's how unbelievably pathetic Mullen's offense was.

    Believe it or not, WVU is still 5th in passing in the Big 12. Only about 2 yards per game away from being tied with Texas @ #4.

    You cant look at just passing yards. This offense is equivalent in total yardage and first downs to all 3 years of Mullen. Mullens offenses actually averaged more points in all 3 years than we are now. Also we attempted 29 pass attempts per game in 2010 vs 38/game this season. The average yds/attempt in 2010 was 7.4, this year is 6.3. So if we would have thrown the ball 9 more times per game in 2010 we would have passed for 280yds/game.

    Please nobody say that Big XII defenses are better than what we played in the past.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by jaaronnut22 6 months ago

  • jaaronnut22 said... (original post)


    Please nobody say that Big XII defenses are better than what we played in the past.

    They are.

    By a mile.

    Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, and Texas Tech would have ran through the 2011 Big East like a hot knife through butter.

    In 2012, we averaged only 2 more points a game with two Heisman candidates and a Biletnikoff finalist than we did in the Big East in 2011.

    In 2008, Rutgers was the highest scoring Big East team

    Do you know where they ranked in the country against non conference opponents?

    83rd,

    In 2009, Cincy was the highest scoring team in the Big East

    They actually did OK vs non-conference teams sitting # 11 in the country(however that is skewed due to scoring 70 pts against an FCS team.

    Who did they play out of conference:

    Southeast Miss. State.
    Fresno State
    Miami(OH)
    Illinois
    Oregon State

    Not exactly world beaters. None of those teams were in the top 50 for defensive scoring.

    In 2009, Pitt was the second best Big East offense. Where did they rank when playing OOC teams?

    32nd.

    In 2010, Cincy had the best Big East offense again,

    Where did they rank playing OOC teams?

    57th.

    The conclusion: Big East defenses from 2008-2011 weren't good. They were mediocre. The offenses were just bad.

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  • sknot1454 said... (original post)

    They are.

    By a mile.

    Baylor, Texas, Oklahoma, OSU, and Texas Tech would have ran through the 2011 Big East like a hot knife through butter.

    2011 Total Defensive Ranks
    Rutgers 13th TCU 30th
    Lville 14th Ok 39th
    Cincy 20th Texas 45th
    Pitt 35th Ok St 63rd
    USF 38th KState 73rd

  • Leave him alone and see if he rights the ship next ywar.

  • jaaronnut22 said... (original post)

    2011 Total Defensive Ranks Rutgers 13th TCU 30th Lville 14th Ok 39th Cincy 20th Texas 45th Pitt 35th Ok St 63rd USF 38th KState 73rd

    Are you going to ignore that the Big East was offensively terrible? And no, it;s not because the defenses were so good.

    Take a look at where the teams you listed ranked nationally on offense when playing outside the conference in 2011.

    Rutgers: 53

    Louisville: 107

    Cinci: 11
    OOC Schedule:
    Austin Peay: 72-10
    Tennessee: 23-45
    Akron: 59-14
    NCState: 41-14
    Miami(OH): 27-0

    That high rank came from playing awful teams, The only good team they played(and Tennesee wasn't even good) beat them badly.

    Pitt: 94

    USF: 26
    OOC Schedule:
    Notre Dame: 23-20
    Ball State: 37-7
    Florida A&M: 70-17
    UTEP: 52-14
    Miami: 3-6

    Again, terrible OOC schedule. The only decent team was Notre Dame and they only scored 23. Three whole points against Miami.

    Like I said, if you look at who they played outside of the conference, the Big East teams STUNK on offense. No wonder all the defenses looked good when conference play started.

    Look at how much the Big East teams other than WVU scored in their 2011-2012 bowl games:

    Ville: 24
    Rutgers: 27
    Cinci: 31
    Pitt: 6

    Barely broke 30 points.

    The whole myth about how good the Big East was on defense is just that, a myth.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by sknot1454 6 months ago

  • sknot1454 said... (original post)

    Are you going to ignore that the Big East was offensively terrible? And no, it;s not because the defenses were so good.

    Take a look at where the teams you listed ranked nationally on offense when playing outside the conference in 2011.

    Rutgers: 53

    Louisville: 107

    Cinci: 11 OOC Schedule: Austin Peay: 72-10 Tennessee: 23-45 Akron: 59-14 NCState: 41-14 Miami(OH): 27-0

    That high rank came from playing awful teams, The only good team they played(and Tennesee wasn't even good) beat them badly.

    Pitt: 94

    USF: 26 OOC Schedule: Notre Dame: 23-20 Ball State: 37-7 Florida A&M: 70-17 UTEP: 52-14 Miami: 3-6

    Again, terrible OOC schedule. The only decent team was Notre Dame and they only scored 23. Three whole points against Miami.

    Like I said, if you look at who they played outside of the conference, the Big East teams STUNK on offense. No wonder all the defenses looked good when conference play started.

    Look at how much the Big East teams other than WVU scored in their 2011-2012 bowl games:

    Ville: 24 Rutgers: 27 Cinci: 31 Pitt: 6

    Barely broke 30 points.

    The whole myth about how good the Big East was on defense is just that, a myth.

    Im not saying Big East was "Good". Im just saying that the Big XII defenses arent very good either.

    For reference the Big East allowed 20pts/game in OOC in 2011, the Big XII 22 Pts/game. In bowl games the Big East allowed 26 pts/game and the Big XII 27/game.

    Once again, Im not saying the BE was great, just saying the Big XII wasnt better.

    This post was edited by jaaronnut22 6 months ago

  • jaaronnut22 said... (original post)

    Im not saying Big East was "Good". Im just saying that the Big XII defenses arent very good either.

    For reference the Big East allowed 20pts/game in OOC in 2011, the Big XII 22 Pts/game. In bowl games the Big East allowed 26 pts/game and the Big XII 27/game.

    Once again, Im not saying the BE was great, just saying the Big XII wasnt better.

    Oklahoma played FSU

    Texas played UCLA and a 10 win BYU team

    Missouri played Arizona State

    Oklahoma State played Arizona

    Kansas State played Miami

    Texas A&M played #5 Arkansas

    Iowa State played Iowa and UConn

    Baylor played #14 TCU

    Kansas played Georgia Tech

    Big 12 teams played 10 BCS OOC opponents in 2011. 11 if you count BYU.

    Big East played 13(14 if you count ND) and they had an extra 16 OOC games that year due to a 7 game conference schedule.

    This post has been edited 3 times, most recently by sknot1454 6 months ago

  • This interview has to be from August and not after the 8th game of the season.
    The transition in year two to the Big 12 after the 8th game is still very challenging. It must be cow manure spreading season in the great state of WV.
    If it is going to take two years to understand the magnitude of the Big 12 and adjust did any fan invest their time since the Oklahoma game? Sorry Dana, I understood the magnitude of the Big 12 after the first year. I guess all that previous experience in the Big 12 didn't help you effectively communicate that knowledge to your players and coaching staff.
    Enough excuses and I sure as hell don't want any next year since this year is shot

  • Well good thing "understanding the magnitude" from your couch holds about as much weight as a feather.

    You can understand all the magnitude you want, but it's not going to make the 2011/2010 recruiting classes reappear all of a sudden.

    This post was edited by sknot1454 6 months ago

  • sknot1454 said... (original post)

    Well good thing "understanding the magnitude" from your couch holds about as much weight as a feather.

    You can understand all the magnitude you want, but it's not going to make the 2011/2010 recruiting classes reappear all of a sudden.

    Didn't the coaches talk about how they are building depth before the season started?

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